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Mark - do you have the power to delete this current redirect page created by spelling mistake Gemfibtozil ?

Mlj 23:05, 3 January 2006 (CET)

I've done it for you :-) --A.l.brown 09:27, 6 January 2006 (CET)

Sorry. I thought I had deleted it already, but looking through the deletion logs, it was the talk page I deleted instead. Mark ong

Good luck with the grants! --A.l.brown 11:14, 17 January 2006 (CET)


Abbr. no problem, use redirects

My preference is to create pages with short names... easier to type.

Then make a redirect to them from any full names etc.

As Wikipedia (WP) says: redirects are cheap.

SO whenever we type something reaosnable and don't find what we want, using that, as a redirect to what we eventually decide we were looking for, is sensibel. Try not to move pages unless the title is an obvious mistake - people will link to them, if only in their browser history, and redirects avoid broken links. Please Midgley 01:27, 4 February 2006 (CET)

I often lean the other way, have abbreviations redirect to full spelling! I'm sure there's a happy medium. :-) --A.l.brown 09:26, 4 February 2006 (CET)

Mark...for a change Adrian made a spelling mistake rather than me...can you delete this Thyroid simulating hormone and its talk page please. Thanks Mlj 13:46, 12 February 2006 (CET)

Don't worry - I've done it. Rupert 14:02, 12 February 2006 (CET)

Isn't it easier to convert a short abbreviation/redirect into a disambiguation, whereas converting a full article (with an abbreviated title) is more messy. An example is MRCP. It currently has a short stub on the MRCP exam, but it really should be turned into a disambig. to accommodate magnetic resonance cholangiopancreatogram. Another example is EGFR. Tends be used mainly in renal medicine, but could mean epidermal growth factor receptor to the oncologists. Ditto with DNA (which I have converted into a disambig.). A matter of preference? Mark ong

A matter of art, yes. Apropos of which, when sorting that sort of thing out, in order to preserve the audit trail and credit trail, one moves the page to its new name or a temporary name, creates a new page of the original name and then points from that to the others. (evening, Mark)Midgley 00:42, 16 February 2006 (CET)

Codeine iv?

Why don't we give it iv? I seem to remember doing so although I may be wrong. Midgley 12:50, 5 March 2006 (CET)

Rang, Dale, Ritter & Moore: "Codeine is well absorbed and normally given by mouth." Implies it's sometimes given IV. Where would the harm be? —Rupert (Talk) 00:50, 15 November 2006 (GMT)

No expert (it's just a snippet of information stored in my head). But a quick pubmed search brings up Pubmed:1443476 and related articles. Intravenous codeine can result in hypotension and seizures. Mark ong 00:59, 15 November 2006 (GMT)

Well done you! I was actually originally on your talk page to ask if you'd noticed any more problems with category order going haywire, then I thought you'd have told me if it had done. —Rupert (Talk) 01:06, 15 November 2006 (GMT)
No problems with category, but I still get the same weird error when trying to edit blank Category pages (Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in.). I wonder if it is something to do with the fact I have a space in my user name? Mark ong 01:12, 15 November 2006 (GMT)
No cos I get it too! I think its cause will remain a mystery though! (Doesn't seem to happen in later versions of MW.) —Rupert (Talk) 23:36, 15 November 2006 (GMT)


Hi Mark, could you have a peek at the email from the MDU on Talk:Medical indemnity? Ta! --A.l.brown 15:44, 21 March 2006 (CET)

Biochem box

(in reply to your mlj query) Yes chemistry box ok idea but likely redundant, as the pharmacologybox would do the same without a reference to protein database. In any case chlorehexideine is best in a pharmacology box ! You get the stupid width problem if you pass a blank space as a variable.

So <tt>{{BiochemistryBox|||||||}}</tt> is ok but <tt>{{BiochemistryBox|| ||||}}</tt> is really bad and creates a variable string that does not parse into HTML. This is the problem with passing variables in a template, you can't do error checking code. So if you are ever in this catch, with a biochemistry or pharmacologybox that extends right across the page you have a space character.

I will add this bug warning to the template info Mlj 21:30, 18 April 2006 (BST)

that of which we may not speak?

Slightly more detail and slightly less detail... Midgley 22:53, 24 April 2006 (BST)

I wondered about 'it', but 'it' doesn't quite fit into my understanding of the mechanism of the disease. Also, said activity tends to result in a lax sphincter over time (almost like the anal stretch mentioned in treatment), so I wonder if it is actually less common amongst that group? Mark ong


Hello mark. Many thanks for your comments. In response to you i suggest that we discuss what are future relationship ought to be. Without being rude, your site doesn't fulfill my needs. I am developing a specialist site for anaesthetists run by anaesthetists. It will become the leading anaesthesia website with information about everything anaesthesia. To date it has cost me both money and more importantly time, a lot of time. Lets open discussions about where we go from here about collaboration.


Hope you like what I did with bias - as you say a category in its own right in due courseMlj 18:55, 23 July 2006 (BST)

Pubmed Caption Fetcher

Hiya, Mark. I wonder if Ganfyd:Pubmed Caption Fetcher might help you add references to articles such as the suxamethonium one. I know it's not perfect, but the more testing it gets & the more feedback I get, the more I'll be able to iron out the wrinkles. Rupert (Talk) 14:36, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Templates for Surgery

Any ideas would be appreciated. I think we should have some for:


So could include things like: anaesthetic options (GA/LA/RA), antibiotic prophylaxis, operating positioning, pre-operative preparation (e.g. bowel prep, blood cross-match and any special tests, special equipment), incision, approximate length of stay, any specific post-op tests (e.g. calcium in thyroidectomy, etc.).


An example would be to make a template for muscles (so to cover the obvious insertion, origin, innervation and action). I think putting it in a box would free up the main article to more 'value-added' things, particularly the clinical relevance.

Good ideas. Actually I suspect we should create a more general AnatomyBox that automatically links to major internet reference sources, such as that 18th edition of Grays. It will need to have parsing logic for a potentially passed variable as Grays recognises innominate but not brachiocephalic etc but is trival. I will go ahead and start it tonight if Manville or you don't beat me to it. If you want me to knock up a ProcedureBox, I need to know internet resources for such...not a field I have any knowledge of...but I'm getting pretty good at parsing URL search strings in wiki template parsing language nowMlj 22:35, 4 September 2006 (BST)

Very good ideas Mark. There's actually an Template:Infobox Anatomy that Rupert knocked up in November (currently in use only on the page for Liver. I tried amending it but I obviously don't understand your parsing routines as well as I thought. --Manville 11:30, 11 September 2006 (BST)
Something very peculiar going on there. Perhaps the urlencode parser function is not handling corner cases correctly. Will debug properly when I'm on my own computer. Rupert (Talk) 19:48, 11 September 2006 (BST)
I think it was only the brackets screwing things up +/- the pipe in the first argument of #if (which was what was catching me out I think)--Manville 22:21, 11 September 2006 (BST)
Good work, whatever you did! Probably has something to do with the difference between {{{foo}}} and {{{foo|}}} in the cases where no parameter is supplied, but I'm out of practice in templates. Rupert (Talk) 00:45, 12 September 2006 (BST)
Just as well I never had any spare time to help you distracted into genetics template. What do you think of my suggestion re background colour in Template talk:Infobox Anatomy which I would have called AnatomyBox but its a bit late now. I find the wiki syntax of Rupert's early effort interesting with all those hiddenStructures. Mlj 23:52, 11 September 2006 (BST)
Infobox Anatomy is probably the oldest template on ganfyd, and its name is very much in the wikipedia style. I found your colour suggestion to be a good one, so I implemented it. Interesting is not the word I would use for the hiddenStructures hack! It was an inconvenience that we had to endure before the invention of ParserFunctions. It was a standard way of hiding blank fields on WP. Rupert (Talk) 00:45, 12 September 2006 (BST)
Looks good so far - it does make the page less cluttered to free up space for more useful information (which was the intention). I can't decide whether it would be easier to have specific templates for specific anatomical types (e.g. muscle, nerve, viscera)? The current template can clearly absorb the complexity, but can the average user? That's a more general issue to think about with regards to templates (even I sometimes get lost amongst all those pipe symbols). Mark ong 00:14, 12 September 2006 (BST)
That might be an idea. I think if we want to become a particularly good reference on anatomy it is essential. That would be a good thing but I think the main ambition should be to excel in articles where ganfyd can supply "value added" content containing mainly the experience of doctors than knowledge that is well documented in textbooks such as anatomical knowledge. That said as it promises to come up in the future, it might be wise to create the separate templates now, which just invoke the anatomy box for the time being. It would make forking the templates in the future a lot easier. Rupert (Talk) 00:45, 12 September 2006 (BST)
Functional anatomy is probably where to aim - anatomy of a region one might block or operate on, how bits work, where pain goes and why, that sort of thing. THat may not go well with tissue specific templates, but there may be boxes and sop on that would be helpful. Midgley 01:00, 12 September 2006 (BST)


Thanks for that. Now that I know how to spell the name (!) I've found considerably more documents e.g. [1], which states "For women who had a history of miscarriage, DES was most likely to be given in tablet form. DES was also given as an injection but this was unusual, and generally used when only a single dose was required, such as to stop lactation.". Thanks again --Jb 09:45, 13 September 2006 (BST)


thanks for sorting out my formatting, jenny.

PMID tag bugs

re:Your comment St Johns Wort I had a look at the code a few weeks back and made some suggestions to Rupert that I think he hasn't had time to check in -remember he did not have access to a secure computer for a while. The code mainly breaks by:

  1. Inserting a pagebreak in the reference due to PUBMED passing pagebreaks. This can actually be editted out by hand once you save the page (not just show preview) but thats a very annoying hassle
  2. Things like [Epub before publication] and Reviews muck up the parser because it does not have clean error handling of strings that don't exist (well I think its just one string thats the naughty one in the logic).

I am sure it is all fixable having looked at the code but best done by someone who knows pHp4 functions. I will probably Email you the code myself for your interestMlj 21:55, 24 October 2006 (BST)

As I'm sure Michael will recall, the code is messy - really, really unweildy. This is because I thought the structure of the PubMed XML was the same from page to page, but it isn't so I had to keep writing things to catch it. It is also a result of parsing the XML into a tree, and then subsequently retrieving the data from that tree. An event driven parser will make it easier for me to maintain, and that is really important or I'll just keep introducing bugs and it will never reach maturity. —Rupert (Talk) 01:54, 25 October 2006 (BST)

From MadDoc

Hi Mark. I have made some alterations to the pulled elbow article as you suggested. I have not reinstated the anatomical description of the pathophysiology (largely as I am unsure how to use the history tab to undo the deletion!). As for the medical dictionary comment, I agree that using a category is probably not the best way to go and if someone wants to set up a definition template, I have no problem using that. BTW, if someone posts on my 'My Talk' page with a question, is it best to reply (as I have done here) on that users My Talk page or to write it on my own? Sorry if that's a stupid question. MadDoc 02:00, 11 November 2006 (GMT)

Thanks Mark--Drkamran 21:57, 23 November 2006 (GMT)


Hi Mark, could you check your DnUK email! Ta. --A.l.brown 21:16, 24 January 2007 (GMT)

ICD 10

Well done on WHO database. How did you discover this way in ? - where theres one way in to a page there may be others ! Mlj 00:03, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Wasn't me! Just copying what Nick figured out. Mark ong 00:38, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Medical statistics

This site is turning into a really good place to look up medical stats information - thanks! --Penglish 14:55, 26 April 2007 (BST)

Thanks. I can't say I've done all that much as most of the stats stuff is on the medical statistics page (mostly your work!). I'm trying to write on tests that I'm having to use, but am finding that there are several more layers of complexity every time I read about something. Mark ong
Mark...can you easily show the linear regression line as just between the x points of the data. I understand in statistics you can only regress within the values to hand... the rest of the line is extrapolation...pedantic but a point I believe.Mlj 22:11, 26 May 2007 (BST)
Sounds about right (interpolation vs extrapolation). The line is a simply a straight line graph derived from the values. I suppose like any other tool, the user has to be aware of the limitations of extrapolation. Not sufficiently proficient in R yet to work out how to shorten the line, but could plot a separately line. I think I will leave the diagram, but add a bit on interpolation/extrapolation. Mark ong

Hard disk

I hope that was a dead hard disk at Hard disk 2-5inch.jpg as it sure is effectively now with dust in normal air.Mlj 21:29, 19 May 2007 (BST)

It was pretty dead to start with! Before I got destructive, you could hear the platters spinning, but no signs of life and not recognised by the computer. Similar situation once open - platters spinning, but no movement of the arm. Mark ong


Transanal endoscopic microsurgery is a nice start and sounds interesting, but as a generalist I don't get a clear view from of it of what is actually done. This is stripping out the mucosa leaving the tube of the bowel behind? Is a bitebox possible? Midgley 23:28, 22 July 2007 (BST)

That's great. Do you think that the topic of the area of the bowel where access is difficult from above/abdominally, and also difficult from below/transanally is worth covering? I suppose the development of stapling devices for making anastamoses where previously a Hartman's op would have been the only possibility, and the whole thing of where the boundaries between excision and (immediate or eventual) anastamosis; hartmans and abdomino-perineal resection are would be worth covering. Tying things together thus is a useful part of the project and I think satisfying, but needs the understanding of someone who does that sort of stuff. Midgley 10:28, 23 July 2007 (BST)


On that ST3 post. Tell us how you did it ! Was it last minute as with far to many. Mlj 22:06, 1 August 2007 (BST)

Good. Barring sudden reforms, some stability. Midgley 08:54, 2 August 2007 (BST)

Thanks to your both. Relieved to have a job, but it's only an FTSTA, so only for a year, at which point I will have to apply again. Mark ong 09:01, 2 August 2007 (BST)

People as a category

I thought that was a good category for all sorts of ... people, allied, professional or not. Ah well. Midgley 17:34, 26 October 2007 (BST)

thanks for sorting benign hypouric hypercalcaemia! Jamestaylor

Thanks for the welcome!

I'm only replying to your welcome about 10 months late! I don't log into here very often. Thanks. Quick question: would it be allowed for me to copy across pages I've done in Wikipedia onto Ganfyd? See for example this that I just put on Ganfyd compared to this which I did on Wikipedia. And do you know how to save template infoboxes like they have on wikipedia? I wouldn't mind creating a few for the site (eg journals, associations, diseases). And I've noticed there is already one for drugs. Many questions from a beginner. Hope you don't mind. Cheers, --Pierre 00:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd say no. Because it would either leave our page unde the DGFL and I suggest we try to maintain material almost all under our licence rather than that otherwise excellent licence, or else it would be a breach of the GFDL for WP material. However, there is no reason at all not to bring over your original draft, or any original text as you added it to a WP page, and then start a forked version from there. ANd very welcome. I did that with an essay on the artificial induction of immunity which therefore eists in two slightly different versions. Midgley 16:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Good cat

Clusters of differentiation is a nice and useful category and set of articles from you and MLJ. Midgley 16:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


thanks, much better. Midgley 11:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting ABCD2 score.

I hadn't confidence to use table format tho I'd seen it on help pages. --Tom 22:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't claim credit for the original page! Only merging what was there already. Mark ong 19:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

file uploads enabled

I hope. 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'mp3', 'wav', 'ogg','wma','svg', 'txt', 'odt', 'odc', 'odp' Tell me ... Midgley 01:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

A category for classification systems?

BI-RAD and so on might all fit into a category, thus allowing one to perse a list of them. Perhaps? Midgley 17:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a think about a category name. Mark ong 17:56, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

COngratulations and good luck

respectively, but perhaps the odd note as you cram? Midgley 05:26, 7 June 2013 (BST)